2025年7月30日 星期三

中論第8-9章1 Mulamadhyamakakarika1

 中論第8-91

 

大家好!

 

《解讀龍樹菩薩「中論」27道題》第八章,

我在台南讀書會提過,如果能夠弄明白「黑暗」不是自然存在、也不是既定的存在,「黑暗與明亮」也是因緣法構成的,大概就懂了「黑暗與明亮」的無自性。(往下拉,參考5月讀書會內容)

 

因我在現場都是講重點,雖說他、她們也不見得都懂,但也是我反復提到的主要概念,

 

所以不想再回去第8章講,上次就跟讀書會成員約定直接講89章。

 

如若定義「絕對性」的因緣法,

必須清楚「因緣中有因緣」,

弄懂這些《中論-空論》便清析明朗。

 

如果覺得下面的截圖文章弄不懂,

可以看看AI的資料,這也是我個人用過的方法之一。

半寄







 

以下AI資料

「中論的無窮倒退(Infinite Regress)」問題,並不是由龍樹自己明確提出這個名詞,但他在《中論》(Mūlamadhyamakakārikā)中對「因果」、「自性」、「實有」等概念的批判,實際上涉及了無窮倒退的邏輯問題。因此,這一論證方式常被後人歸結為「無窮倒退論證」(infinite regress argument),屬於邏輯上的一種reductio ad absurdum(歸謬法)形式。

 

📚 1. 無窮倒退在《中論》的運用

 

龍樹針對「自性有」(svabhāva)進行批判時,指出如果事物是本質上自有的,那麼其因果關係將無法成立,導致以下情況之一:

 

若果從因生,那因也需要一個因,無限倒退;

若因不需因,那它就是永遠存在,果不會生出,因果不能成立。

這樣的論證方式就是用「無窮倒退」來否定「實體有」或「自性有」的可能性。

例如《中論》第1章〈觀因緣品〉中有說:

若有自性者,則無因緣生。

無自性故,故有因緣生。

這正是指出:若執著自性實有,會導致因果斷裂或無限迴圈矛盾。

 

🧠 2. 誰明確提出「無窮倒退」這個術語?

龍樹本身沒有使用「無窮倒退」這個詞(這是後代哲學詮釋的用語)。

這個概念在後期的中觀學者(如清辯、月稱)中被更明確闡釋,並在西方哲學中如亞里斯多德、康德等被更清楚地制度化。

 

所以可說:

 龍樹的中論在內容上已經使用了無窮倒退論證;

 但這個詞(infinite regress)是後來的哲學詮釋,非龍樹創詞。

 

🔍 補充說明:

在近代中觀詮釋中,無窮倒退經常出現在「否定第一因」、「否定自性存在」或「否定獨立成立之法」的上下文中。

無窮倒退在中觀派中是破斥「自性見」的重要邏輯工具之一。

 

 

Chapter 8-9 of Nagarjuna’s Middle Way: Mulamadhyamakakarika

 

Greetings, friends of NanZen!

 

Chapter 8 of Nagarjuna's Middle Way: Mulamadhyamakakarika

I mentioned during the Tainan study club that if one can understand that “darkness” is neither naturally existing nor inherently fixed, and that both “darkness and brightness” arise through dependent origination,

then one can grasp the concept of their lack of inherent nature.

(Please scroll down to refer to the notes from the Tainan study club in May.)

 

During the discussion, I typically focused on the essential points. While not everyone may fully grasp them, these are the key ideas I repeatedly emphasize.

 

Therefore, I don’t intend to revisit Chapter 8. We previously agreed with the group to proceed directly to Chapters 8 and 9.

 

If we want to define “the conditional nature of the absolute,”

we must clearly understand that “conditions are embedded within other conditions.”

With this understandingNagarjuna’s view of śūnyatābecomes much clearer.

 

If the article shown in the screenshot below seems difficult to follow,

feel free to refer to AI-generated materials — I’ve found them helpful myself.

 

Master Banji

 

AI Data

The infinite regress issue in Nāgārjuna’s Mūlamadhyamakakārikā (MMK) is not a term explicitly used by Nāgārjuna himself. However, his critiques of causality, intrinsic nature (svabhāva), and substantial existence inherently involve the logic of infinite regress. As a result, later scholars identified this method of reasoning as th einfinite regress argument, which is a form of reductio ad absurdum (proof by contradiction).

 

1. Application of infinite regress in MMK:

Nāgārjuna’s critique of inherent existence shows that if things truly possess self-nature, then causal relationships collapse, leading to two problematic scenarios:

● If an effect arises from a cause, then that cause must also require a cause, leading to infinite regress.
● If a cause does not require a prior cause, it must exist eternally and would never generate any effect — thus invalidating causality.

 

This logic uses infinite regress to refute the possibility of real, independent existence.

For instance, Chapter 1 of MMK (Analysis of Conditions) states:

If something possesses self-nature, it cannot arise from conditions.

Because it lacks self-nature, it arises from conditions.”

This illustrates that belief in self-nature leads to causal inconsistency or infinite loops.

 

2. Who coined the termt infinite regress?

Nāgārjuna did not use the term “infinite regress” himself; it is a term adopted by later philosophers.

Madhyamaka thinkers such as Bhāviveka and Candrakīrti further developed this argument, while in Western thought, philosophers like Aristotle and Kant institutionalized the concept.

 

Thus:

Nāgārjuna employed infinite regress in his reasoning.

But the term itself originates from later philosophical interpretations.

 

3. Additional note:

In contemporary Madhyamaka thought, the infinite regress argument is commonly applied in discussions that reject:

● the idea of a first cause,
● inherently existing entities,
● or independent phenomena.

It remains a critical logical tool in refuting the notion of self-nature (svabhāva).

 

 

2025年7月28日 星期一

中觀學派與歸謬法 2Madhyamaka Madhyamaka and the Use of Reductio ad Absurdum and the Use of Reductio ad Absurdum


 

我個人長期溶入這些思維,以前大部分時間都在做以下資料的內容探究,進而墊下「空-破身見-無我」的基礎觀點。

 

前面提過日本學者中村元先生的「語意與字源」探討,基於這觀點請不要用華人視野去看待「八不論空」,

 

而且不能只做字義上的理解,提供參考。

個人在深度思索這些《中觀論-空》的年代裡,常覺得自己變成呆瓜!哈

半寄

 

AI資料:

 

中觀學派與歸謬法

在佛教特別是中觀學派(龍樹、清辨、月稱)的論證中,歸謬法是極為核心的思維工具。

例如:在《中論》中,龍樹並不直接提出「一切法皆空」為一個證明命題,而是破斥一切「有自性」的主張,使對方的立論無法成立。

他透過歸謬論證來否定事物的「自性有」、「第一因」、「從自生、他生、共生、無因生」等概念。

 

🧾 原文(觀因緣品第一)

不從自性生,

亦不從他性,

不共不無因,

故知無有生。

 

📖 解釋與歸謬法應用:

這段話是龍樹以歸謬法破斥「有一實在的生起方式」的核心段落,逐一否定四種主張(即「四生」):

 

1. 假設從自性生(自體生):

若一法能從自身而生,就不需任何因緣,那麼它應該一直存在,不需要生,也不能說是「生」。

矛盾從自生推不出變化,與「生」的本義(從無到有)矛盾。

 歸謬:自生荒謬  否定

 

2. 假設從他性生(他體生):

若全然從「他」而來,那麼自己毫無作用,那怎麼是「我生的法」?

此外,若一切從他生,為什麼不是所有東西隨時隨地生出?

 歸謬:他生荒謬  否定

 

3. 假設自他共生:

自生與他生都已經被否定,兩者相加難道會合理嗎?

矛盾把兩個不成立的概念混合起來,不能產生合理的生。

 歸謬:共生荒謬  否定

 

4. 假設無因生:

無因就無條件,那麼任何事物應該可以隨時生出,也無法說明規律性。

 歸謬:無因荒謬  否定

 

 結論

透過四種假設→每一項推導矛盾/荒謬→否定所有生法  證「生不可得」→證空性成立

 

這就是中觀歸謬法的經典運用:不是提出正面論證來說明「空」,而是逐一否定一切對實有的執著,使「空」呈現於理性之中。

 

 


找出的AI資料2最後說:

 

「中觀歸謬法的經典運用:不是提出正面論證來說明「空」,

而是逐一否定一切對實有的執著,使「空」呈現於理性之中。」

 

半寄:

學習龍樹菩薩的「八不」提出的「不一不異、不來不出、不斷不常,不生不滅」

如能熟悉:「只破不立」的深義,學習者便能理解空。

 

不能沒有論述直接說空,那真是空洞。

空也不是體兩面的因緣法,

因為,只有「因緣法」還說不清楚空,

哈哈😄

 

半寄

 



Chapter 8-9 of Nagarjuna’s Middle Way: Mulamadhyamakakarika-2 Madhyamaka and the Use of Reductio ad Absurdum

 

I’ve been immersed in these ways of thinking for a long time. I used to spend most of my time investigating the materials below, which laid the foundation for my perspective on “śūnyatā – the deconstruction of self-view – the doctrine of no-self.”

 

As previously mentioned, Japanese scholar Nakamura Hajime emphasized the importance of exploring “semantics and etymology.” Based on that, I suggest not approaching the “Eight Negations of Śūnyatā” through a purely Chinese lens.

 

Moreover, it should not be understood merely through literal definitions. I offer this as a reference.

 

In the years I devoted to contemplating The Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way and the concept of śūnyatā, I often felt like I had turned into an idiot—haha.

 

Master Banji

 

AI Data

 

Madhyamaka and the Use of Reductio ad Absurdum

 

In Buddhist philosophy — especially within the Madhyamaka school founded by Nāgārjuna and developed by Bhāviveka and Candrakīrti — reductio ad absurdum is a central method of argumentation.

 

Rather than presenting śūnyatā as a positive doctrine to be proven, Nāgārjuna’s Mūlamadhyamakakārikā instead refutes all views asserting the inherent existence (svabhāva) of phenomena.

Through systematic logical analysis, he denies concepts such as:

● intrinsic nature,
● a first cause,
● origination from self, other, both, or without cause.

 

🧾 Original text (Chapter 1 – Examination of Conditions):

Not arising from self,

Nor from other,

Nor from both,

Nor without cause —

Therefore, nothing truly arises.

 

📖 Explanation and application of reductio ad absurdum:

 

This verse exemplifies Nāgārjuna’s use of reductio ad absurdum to refute the notion of an intrinsically real mode of origination. He systematically deconstructs the four possible types of origination (known as the "four births"):

 

1. Origination from self:

If something arises from itself, it requires no conditions and pre-exists its own arising. But if it already exists, there’s no need for it to arise.

Logical contradiction: Self-origin entails no transformation, which contradicts the essential nature of origination—as emergence from non-being.

Reductio: Self-origination is logically incoherent  Rejected

 

2. Origination from another:

If something comes entirely from something else, then it has no connection to itself.

How, then, can it be called its “own” arising?

Moreover, it fails to explain why things don’t spontaneously arise from anywhere and everywhere any other.

Reductio: Origination from another is untenable  Rejected

 

3. Origination from both self and other:

Since both self- and other-origination are logically invalid, their combination does not produce coherence.

Logical contradiction: Combining two rejected views does not create a valid one.

Reductio: Dual origination is untenable  Rejected

 

4. Origination without cause:

If things arise without cause, then If phenomena arise without causes, anything should appear entirely randomly, without any regularity.

Reductio: Causeless origination is irrational  Rejected

 

Conclusion:

By thoroughly examining and negating all four logical possibilities, Nāgārjuna demonstrates that origination is ultimately untenable (anutpāda). Through this negation of all reified views, the principle of śūnyatā is rationally established.

 

This is the quintessential Madhyamaka strategy: rather than affirming śūnyatā as a positive doctrine, it is revealed through the rigorous dismantling of all conceptual fabrications concerning inherent existence.

 

 

 


The concluding statement of AI Data abovementions:

 

This is the quintessential Madhyamaka strategy: rather than affirming śūnyatā as a positive doctrine, it is revealed through the rigorous dismantling of all conceptual fabrications concerning inherent existence.

 

Banji:

Mastery of Nagarjuna’s “Eight Negations” — neither the same nor different, neither coming nor going, neither permanent nor impermanent, neither arising nor ceasing — enables one to comprehend the profundity of the principle “solely refuting opposing views without establishing a new argument.” This is essential for a genuine understanding of śūnyatā. 

 

To talk about emptiness without any reasoning is truly empty talk.

Moreover, śūnyatā is not merely the other side of dependent origination,

for dependent origination alone does not suffice to elucidate śūnyatā.

Haha 😄

 

Master Banji


 

 

印度佛法Indian Buddhism

大家好!

印度佛法


據說達摩祖師去中國,傳了禪宗,

成為禪宗的第一代祖師。

我看過一位德國人在印度學習「冥想的道路」電影,

太久了,現在找不到那一部電影。


裡面很真實的記載他在印度去拜訪一些禪者,

然後他們給他的教學也是隻字片語的禪語,

例如;我站在你面前,我就是善!


看到這ㄧ幕,眼睛差一點掉下來,

跟中國的禪宗一模一樣,

不知該哭還是該笑?

一樣的捕風捉影!


但那位德國人很滿意,

我是不知道滿意什麼?


在學佛的道路上,我也參考過很多其他禪者的心路歷程,

但還是回歸《雜阿含經》跟《中觀論》的「八不」破解讓我收穫最多。


佛法裡面本身的邏輯性是很強的,

如果看過部派佛教論師論述的辯論會非常清楚這個點,


隻字片語的提點,反而是誤導的,

這是我個人的觀點。

半寄

印度佛法

 

大家好!

 

據說達摩祖師去中國,傳了禪宗,

成為禪宗的第一代祖師。

我看過一位德國人在印度學習「冥想的道路」電影,

太久了,現在找不到那一部電影。

 

裡面很真實的記載他在印度去拜訪一些禪者,

然後他們給他的教學也是隻字片語的禪語,

例如我站在你面前,我就是善!

 

看到這幕,眼睛差一點掉下來,

跟中國的禪宗一模一樣,

不知該哭還是該笑?

一樣的捕風捉影!

 

但那位德國人很滿意,

我是不知道滿意什麼?

在學佛的道路上,我也參考過很多其他禪者的心路歷程,

但還是回歸《雜阿含經》跟《中觀論》的「八不」破解讓我收穫最多。

 

佛法裡面本身的邏輯性是很強的,

如果看過部派佛教論師論述的辯論會非常清楚這個點,

 

隻字片語的提點,反而是誤導的,

這是我個人的觀點。

 

半寄

 

Indian Buddhism

 

Greetings, friends of NanZen!

 

It is said that Bodhidharma traveled to China and transmitted the Zen tradition,

becoming the first patriarch of Chinese Zen (Chan).

 

I once saw a German documentary titled The Way of Meditation, which followed a German practitioner learning meditation in India.

It’s been so long that I can no longer find that film.

 

In one particularly memorable scene, he visits Indian meditators who offer enigmatic, Zen-like teachings, such as:

I stand before you — I am goodness.”

 

When I saw that scene, I was stunned.

It mirrored Chinese Zen perfectly.

I couldn’t decide whether to laugh or to cry —

such teachings felt elusive, like chasing shadows.

 

Yet, the German practitioner appeared genuinely pleased.

To this day, I’m uncertain what exactly he was satisfied with.

 

Throughout my own Buddhist study, I’ve explored the inner paths of various Zen masters.

However, it is the analytical rigor of the Saṃyukta Āgamaand Nāgārjuna’s “Eight Negations” in the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā that have provided me with the most clarity and depth.

 

Buddhist doctrine is deeply logical.

This becomes especially evident when examining the debates of early Abhidharma scholars.

 

In my view, vague, aphoristic pointers

often lead to confusion rather than genuine insight.

 

Anyone who has studied the debates of early Buddhist scholastics will recognize this clearly.

 

Personally, I believe that vague, one-line hints are more likely to mislead than enlighten.

 

Master Banji

致印度讀者好!Greetings to our readers in India,

致印度讀者好!


收到help的要求,

建議你們自己去翻讀佛陀當時的教學出來看,

先有思想依據是最重要的。

相信你們在數理的能力,會對佛陀的教學理解很快,

最好加入龍樹中觀學派論典,

提供參考,

我知道這個對你們很難,但是我認為一定要用功去把它讀出來,

這是唯一條路。

㊗️福印度佛法

 

半寄

 

 

Greetings to our readers in India,

 

Upon receiving your request for assistance, I would like to encourage you to directly engage with the Buddha’s original teachings.

Having a solid philosophical foundation is essential.

I trust the Indian people's strong abilities in mathematics and logical thinking will allow you to grasp the Buddha’s teachings quickly.

It would be best to also study the treatises of Nagarjuna’s Madhyamaka school.

This suggestion is for your reference.

I understand that this may be challenging, but I truly believe it is important to make a serious effort to study these works.

This is the only way forward.

May the Dharma flourish in India.

 

Master Banji